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Rising Resolutions – is Rise of the Tomb Raider leading a new 1080p renaissance for Xbox One?

In this week’s podcast the Sparks are wowed at the news that Rise of the Tomb Raider (and some other upcoming gaming gems) will be in full 1080p and chat about how this could be the beginning of a new dawn for Xbox One.

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Genuine-User3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

I certainly hope so. I'm happy that I'll get to enjoy Rise of the Tomb Raider at the native resolution of my TV.

900p should be the bare minimum this gen.

Gazondaily3624d ago

Well tbh, Titanfall was 720 and that didn't really bother me that much. I do agree though, I've just got a beast TV and it kinda sucks having sub 1080p res in games.

I don't think there will be a renaissance in resolution for X1 games, as much I wish there to be one. Whilst the hardware optimisation is imnproving, games are soon going to be more demanding as the visuals, physics and general scope get more demanding. I expect a drop in resolution.

In fact, I reckon even PS4 games will probably drop below 1080p later on in the gen as more ambitious games come out. We've already seen BF4 and Killzone: SF going sub 1080p native.

The X1 struggles to reach 1080p so once the gen gets going, expect more sub 1080p games. Not the end of the world mind you; this gen has already taught me how resolution isn't the be all and end all of the quality of a game. But still, I don't think we should expect Tomb Raider and PES to set a standard.

Genuine-User3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

Titanfall was slightly higher than 720p, it bothered me but what bothered me even more was the horrendous screen-tearing.
It is somewhat disappointing to play sub-1080p games on a native display.

I don't expect a drop in resolution as we go further into this generation. History is your proof.
Microsoft's first party titles will most probably stick with 900p-1080p.

1080p will be the standard for PlayStation this generation; ambitious titles like Uncharted 4 and Horizon are already running at a stable frame-rate in 1080p.

As I have said before, 900p should be the bare minimum this gen. Anything below that doesn't set a good precedence.

Gazondaily3624d ago

Yeah we'll see how it pans out. Yeah sub 900p in games is disappointing and its a shame how things panned out for the X1 in terms of hardware.

Genuine-User3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

I agree. Xbox One has improved significantly since launch, and its future looks exciting.

Gazondaily3624d ago

Yeah definitely. To me, the Xbox as a brand for core gamers has never been stronger. With the first Xbox, they had great games but the life cycle was short (as it kinda needed to be to make way for the 360).

The 360 started off really well but MS got lackadaisical with exclusives and focused on third party stuff as most were running better on their hardware etc.

Now, the Xbox brand has an extremely strong focus on gamers (because we forced their hand and made them realise who's boss) and they cant sit on their backsides and rely so strongly on third party titles. So the resolution stuff takes a back seat when it comes to all this for me. Others will use it as ammo in the console war but realistically there are FAR more important factors in the gaming landscape today.

4Sh0w3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

900p or 1080p, blah, blah, blah....what about 60fps?. So much concern for a resolution that frankly we have seen time n time again if they slapped 1080p on a 900p game or vice versa everybody just takes it as gospel= 99% cant distinguish the difference without being told(Digital Foundry knows this but I'd take the easy hits too). More 60fps games should be a bigger priority imo since you can actually "feel" the difference there, at least with res X1 upscaling is very good outputting at 1080p, unfortunately theres no fps upscaler, fps wont improve at all unless its purposely something the devs -developed the game specifically for the higher 60fps.

Id honestly take 900p games that look as good as Ryse the rest of this gen, I mean put that game in the mall against any other 1080p game this gen both running on identical 65in hdtvs, poll 1000 folks which game is 1080p?, and how many folks would pick Ryse?...because higher res=best visuals right? Nah, Halo at 60fps proves to me how much better games can get, loved it at 30fps but 60fps is judt so sweet.

Genuine-User3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

@Septic

Pretty much agree with everything you have said with the exception of resolution taking a back seat. Image quality is important to me.

Pogmathoin3624d ago

I enjoyed all those comments Septic and Genuine..... wish it was always like that here.... Lets just enjoy the golden age of gaming.... regardless of what you get it on.....

Death3624d ago

Both consoles have a built in upscaler. I would rather see more ambitious texture quality and detail that taxes the system and uses the upscaler. Resolution alone is a pointless debate and shouldn't be the defining measure of videogames.

donthate3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

Titanfall was 792p, but the resolution didn't matter when I played the crap out of that game since launch. I got the most out of my money out of that game.

So yeah, resolution does not matter.

Think beatiful game like The Order: 1886 in 1080p (with the bar) and lots of graphic trickery to get it there (including non-interactive world), but the game is pure crap. It is literally a CGI movie.

Let the resolution debate end! Quality games FTW! :D

Nick_The_Slick3624d ago

Titanfall was 1408x792, a resolution that's 20% higher than 720P.

tuglu_pati3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

@Death

I disagree, upscaled resolution affects the aliasing and sharpness of the image, How good are textures quality and detail, if the IQ will be compromised by resolution?

nveenio3624d ago

If it's taken a year and a half just to get devs to where they can make 1080p games on Xbox One, then that's really sad. They should have spent the last year making 1080p games even better. It just feels backward.

Army_of_Darkness3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

Rise of the tomb raider on:
Xb1 is 1080p @30fps =
Ps4 version 1080p @60fps.
Console math baby! Yeah!

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MRMagoo1233624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

1080p should be the bare minimum this gen imo, no company has any excuse not to hit that this gen, ad if they dont it is there own fault for weak hardware. Next gen better make a huge step up otherwise I this gen will be the last console I buy.

OT why is 1080p a big deal all of a sudden for xbone games when xbone owners cant see the difference between 720p and 1080p anyway? and how is getting what the competition has had since launch something to cheer when it should have been there since day dot.

edit. lucky I have septic on ignore otherwise I would be subject to flip flopping or hypocritical opinions that mean about as much to me as woman's football.

Gazondaily3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

"OT why is 1080p a big deal all of a sudden for xbone games when xbone owners cant see the difference between 720p and 1080p anyway? "

Are all Xbox owners the same then? You are a PlayStation gamer. Why does this matter to you so much?

"and how is getting what the competition has had since launch something to cheer"

Because, and this might come as a shock to you, not everything is about console rivalry. Some people actually care about the games and gameplay itself. Just because the PS4 is doing 1080p doesn't mean X1 owners cannot celebrate when a game on their console of choice achieves this when it has previously struggled to do so.

Lon3wolf3624d ago

As you said you couldn't see it here's what was written:

"OT why is 1080p a big deal all of a sudden for xbone games when xbone owners cant see the difference between 720p and 1080p anyway? "

Are all Xbox owners the same then? You are a PlayStation gamer. Why does this matter to you so much?

"and how is getting what the competition has had since launch something to cheer"

Because, and this might come as a shock to you, not everything is about console rivalry. Some people actually care about the games and gameplay itself. Just because the PS4 is doing 1080p doesn't mean X1 owners cannot celebrate when a game on their console of choice achieves this when it has previously struggled to do so.

OT: Glad to see they are getting better results from the One, interesting times ahead for all platforms.

Death3624d ago

Xbox gamers can't see the difference. Neither can Playstation gamers. The built in upscaler outputs the game at 1080p regardless the native resolution. What you see with your eye is 1080p resolution unless you are able to see inside the console before it hits the upscaler.

The only game I have personally been able to see a difference in between the consoles is GTA on the PS4. It's not higher resolution that can be seen though, it's more detailed textures in grassy areas. That is what we should want to see in games, not a higher native resolution that serves for nothing more than bragging rights.

Pogmathoin3624d ago

REading your comment Magoo.... makes the term about the elephant in the room seem so appropriate.....

gangsta_red3624d ago

"why is 1080p a big deal all of a sudden for xbone games when xbone owners cant see the difference between 720p and 1080p anyway?"

It's only a big deal to a lot of sony fanboys typically. Which is why a lot of them keep coming into every Xbox One resolution article and asking these very questions or making it a bigger deal than it truly is. I think the stance has always been that neither side can tell a huge difference unless it goes under the magnifying glass.

Which is why we have so many people on this site who post that they will wait patiently for Digital Foundry to make the comparisons and tell them what they should see so they can then celebrate and pretend they saw everything beforehand.

"and how is getting what the competition has had since launch something to cheer when it should have been there since day dot."

Maybe because now we can finally put this Xbox One can't do 1080p to rest. Maybe now it can be finally realized that the Xbox just didn't have a proper SDK ready for developers. Maybe now we can finally focus on the games instead of if it's 1080p or not.

We have already dropped the need for 60 fps when a crowd came to terms that their console couldn't do triple A gaming at both 1080p and 60fps.

It'll be interesting when N4G starts talking about games again and these types of articles become a thing of the past.

Scottyxboxoneandps43624d ago

@MRMagoo
Ha, here it is!! I was reading the comments and thought wow!! There's actually a respectful discussion going on the you show up with your fanboy, cry baby attitude. If your not gaming on X1 you shouldn't be bothered wether it's hitting 1080p or not. So get your sad pathetic fanboy dribble out of here!!!

LamerTamer3624d ago

@Death

Stop spreading that nonsense that the upscaler makes all games magically as sharp as true native 1080p resolution, it doesn't. If you upscale a SNES game it doesn't magically look as sharp as a true 1080p game. All the upscalers do is make the lower than native game fit the screen so that you don't have a big black border around the screen. It stretches, and then adds a blur filter to attempt to smooth the resulting pixelation. There are many artifacts such as blur and pixilation and loss of texture contrast/detail. Objects far away still blob out.

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RocketScienceLvlStuf3624d ago

I doubt it. It's because it is a cross gen game.

1080p is nothing new to xbone on cross gen games.

Gazondaily3624d ago

Battlefield 4 is a cross gen game and that doesn't run at 1080p on the PS4. What is your point?

Pogmathoin3624d ago

Burn of the century award goes too..... :)

RocketScienceLvlStuf3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

I think my point was quite clear septic. Not sure what PS4 has to do with this article.

Cross gen games can reach 1080p on xbone. The past has shown that. So no. There is no new 1080p renaissance for xbone.

Xbone can't do it with new gen graphically intense games.

Scottyxboxoneandps43624d ago

@RocketScience....
"I think my point was quite clear septic. Not sure what PS4 has to do with this article."

Your right PS4 has nothing to do with this article, which makes me wonder, why are you here?

Nick_The_Slick3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

"Xbone can't do it with new gen graphically intense games."

Oh. The whole time I've been playing Forza Horizon 2 with its amazing visuals, weather system and day and night cycle at 1080P native and it turns out that it's just not a graphically-intensive game, according to you. That really sucks..

Oh but wait, that's because it's cross-gen, right? Despite being a completely separate version, developed separately from the 360 by a different team, with things not possible on the 360, it's just not impressive because it's cross-gen... Gotcha! Maybe if they never released the 360 version at all, that would have been a different story altogether, right?

Always an excuse and reason with you for why something on the Xbox isn't impressive.

GTFO, troll.

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Letthewookiewin3624d ago

No screw that games should be no less than 4K! If your eyes ain't bleeding from all those glorious P's you ain't doing it right! (Shakes fist at image in the mirror)

Nick_The_Slick3624d ago

Why are people acting like this is a surprise, when the first Tomb Raider was in 1080 on the X1, except for the 900P cutscenes for some reason...

IanTH3624d ago

I hope so too. I only own a PS4 and Wii U in terms of current gen consoles, but I truly hate the pixel counting bickering. Hated it during PS3/Xbox 360 face-off garbage, and I hate it now.

We are a gaming community, but most people act like we are a squabbling, warring tribe with constant infighting. It is silly and tiring. I would love for all gamers to just get back to enjoying games and not shout at each other with insane vitriol for such ridiculous things. And hey, if MS can squeeze that kind of extra grunt out of software, I can't see how Sony couldn't either - and if MS starts matching multiplats graphically/resolution wise, Sony would probably push optimization even harder. Good all around.

starchild3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

As a PC gamer I mess with resolutions all the time and I know the benefits higher resolutions can bring. That said, resolution isn't the end-all be-all. Sometimes graphics resources can be better spent on other aspects of the graphics.

Azzanation3624d ago

If resolution means that much to you then I recommend PC gaming. Buy yourself a beast CPU/GPU and have fun. Todays consoles are struggling running these new engines to reach a 1080p/30 solid frame. Unless the company sacrifices gameplay to achieve it. Which I hate when they do that.

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BlackPanther3624d ago

I can definitely see people getting EA access even for just a month to be able to play Battlefront early which would make sense.

Hopefully it is a long early access we get.

Toiletsteak3624d ago

A lot of people will disagree but i really don't care what resolution a game is running at, just as long as it is fun i will play it.

green3624d ago

I agree. As long as i tplays well and looks good, i do not care about all of this.

NeoGamer2323624d ago

I think that resolution has weight on some games. Specifically, games that try and present a real-world environments.

But I disagree with needing all games at 1080p. 720p and 900p can still be perfectly good games when simulating the real world. Pac-man is no different at 1080p than 720p really.

The thing that bugs me most when playing any game is a framerate drop to the low 20's and below. You are in the heat of some sort of action then all of a sudden the screen is stuttering to keep up...

Eonjay3624d ago

Guys, its called optimization. Developers are supposed to get bet better at using the system's resources... It happens every gen on every console.

4Sh0w3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

-Dont get the disagree's in this case what you said is absolutely correct. Only thing Id add is X1 esRAM is less straight forward than ps4 setup thus the need for devs to learn to optomize more to hit the 1080p 60fps ceiling of both consoles.

starchild3624d ago

But it's always a balancing act and a question of where you want to spend those resources. Many developers will choose to spend those resources in areas other than resolution.

We saw this happen last generation where many console games even towards the end of the generation were still sub-720p simply because developers of those games felt that resources could be better spent on other aspects of the graphics.

sashimi3624d ago

Its a game designed to run on the 360 -_-

True_Samurai3624d ago

Huh? Are you saying x1's ROTR is designed to run on 360 as well? If so no there is another dev porting the game to the 360. CD is fully focused on the x1 version

sashimi3624d ago (Edited 3624d ago )

The base game itself is designed to run on the 360 is what im saying, its not like its 2 different games. Yeah at the end of the day it'll still be held back by what last gen can do, it'll just run better and have better graphics on the xbox one compared to the 360 maybe more enemies and whatever features they can add on.

starchild3624d ago

Yet it's still unquestionably one of the best looking upcoming games.

jb2273624d ago

Yup. Its crazy how gamers will latch on to any kernel of hope they are fed by devs thirsty for purchases. Sure there's a totally different dev working on porting to 360, but its not like it'll be a completely different game. The X1 version will just be a 1080p version of a last gen game. I mean we've already seen it in action twice & while it was clean and good looking, its not mind blowing by any stretch. Its roughly comparable to the Tomb Raider remastered version for X1 on basically every level. I'm sure the game will be great fun but people shouldn't assume that it'll be a true next gen iteration because it simply can't be while still being constrained to last gen hardware.

SuperStatePro3624d ago

Sorry, but your way of thinking is not the reality. Just because a general game was designed to run on the 360, does NOT mean that the X1 version cannot possibly look amazing and push the console to the max. There is nothing that the 360 can't do, except the increased visual fidelity. It's the same with the PS3 and PS4. You could port Uncharted 4 to it, but at a lesser rez and with lesser effects and draw distance, etc..

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