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Opinion: The PS4′s Share Button Needs To Be All Or Nothing, Publisher Censorship Won’t Work

TSA: "If you can’t share the last bits – and I appreciate this is publisher dependent – then what’s the point? Hey, look, I just started the game, watch me play the same bits you’ve all played? No."

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iGAM3R-VIII4399d ago (Edited 4399d ago )

Agree there’s no point if publishers can block it, renders the entire effort of putting it there a waste of resources. Plus sharing that last level or tricky opponent is just as important as that hole in one or that perfect lap.

BUT, at the same time I have to respect what the developers do and why, because there must be a reason as to why they would do it. I am sure that most Sony 1st party games should have full access and Ubisofts games should as well, same with EA probably.

DragonKnight4399d ago

Guaranteed the lawyers of each publisher will have their say in the censorship aspect. Afterall, how can they make money off of copyright claims if everyone can share the content with a push of a button?

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DragonKnight4399d ago

@Kratos_Kills: They probably paid to do it.

iGAM3R-VIII4399d ago

@DragonKnight can you re-word that because either you are wrong or what you made makes no sense

KwietStorm_BLM4399d ago

Its not like they're sharing the actual content of the game itself, its just videos, that of which has been commonplace on PCs for years. The Share button would bring the PS4 more inline with the community ecosystem of PCs in that aspect, but it would instantly lose much of its power and benefit if its restricted, in any way, in my opinion.

DragonKnight4399d ago (Edited 4399d ago )

@iGAM3R-VIII: I'm saying the lawyers will have their say when the publishers decide to censor content. The lawyers are the ones that file copyright claims against youtube LP'ers to begin with.

Dee_914399d ago (Edited 4399d ago )

I dont know,my rational mind is telling me to wait and see what exactly the restrictions are before I completely consider it a waste.But the other more "jump to conclusions" side agree with some of you.

Theres so much crap I want to record :D

@Dragonknight
"The lawyers are the ones that file copyright claims against youtube LP'ers to begin with."
No Not really.Almost anybody can claim copyright on youtube as long as you have even the tiniest bit of relevance to the developer & or publisher.The guy that was taking all of GTA IV , chinatown wars and vice city stories off youtube wasnt a lawyer.If I can remember he used to work with R* years ago and had no hand in making anything after gta 2. If I remember correctly.He was a complete d-bag :)

darthv724398d ago

it gives the implication that there will be plenty who use it accordingly while there will be others who abuse it.

Those ones that abuse it, however, could possibly ruin it for the rest of us. All it takes is a select few who have no regard for others and will share everything they can that may go against terms of service and the end will result in Sony either taking it away (ultimate end result) or a real strict submission process where everything needs to be reviewed by sony first.

Its a great idea but one I am just worried will get taken away because some just can't help themselves.

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JoGam4399d ago

As long as i can share me owning people on BF4. That's what i want to share.

jadenkorri4399d ago

yes, and we'll be able to share getting kicked for killing the host too many times, lets hope for some dedicated servers that will stay permanently.

Knight_Crawler4398d ago

Dude this is EA we are talking about...they will probably want to charge extra to that.

CraigandDayDay4399d ago

Multiplayer sharing probably won't be limited like single player. And that will be where most of the sharing happens anyway. It's understandable they don't want their single player games spoiled by people.

iGAM3R-VIII4399d ago

Yes agreed, Ubisoft already said that the SHARE button should get full access and I am sure most 1st party games should as well. Also I think EA Sports games should because of the genre.

Ace_Pheonix4399d ago

Plus I imagine there could be some kind of time limitation applied as well. After like 3 or 4 months, singleplayer portions that were previously blocked could become available. That'd be fair all around I think.

Gazondaily4398d ago

But what about the point where you can jump in and take control of your friends game if he's stuck on a certain level etc?

To be honest, I'll mainly be using this for multiplayer anyway apart from maybe games like GTA where some random craziness happens in a sandbox that I want to share.

I have a feeling that the restrictions will be very limited; maybe kicking in when there is a cut scene or something.

GameSpawn4398d ago

My thought on what would be limited would be specific single player sections that may violate Facebook's, Youtube, and whatever other sites will be linked in terms of use, aka sex and nudity. This will cut down the amount of censoring the website be submitted to has to do from the get go.

Personally I'm fine with this if it is the case. Honestly I'm fairly antisocial and probably won't be using the share features much short of the occasional "cool s**t just happened" moments.

@Septic (the main reason I replied here)
I had the funniest gaming moment happen to me in GTA5. I was in a mission trying to get away, with a 4 star rating if memory serves, and was getting pissed that I could quite shake the cops. Well I came shooting around a corner FULL speed and a cop rams me head on. Now normally in GTA5 if you're in a head on you fly through the front windshield into the street. What happens to me? Nothing! My car was like a brick wall, we both came to a dead stop and TWO cops get thrown onto the hood of their car while I'm just sitting pretty in mine. I laugh my ass off, toss it in reverse and drive around them and on my way. I WISH I had a share button then.

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iGAM3R-VIII4399d ago

Must you troll on every article

KwietStorm_BLM4399d ago

Except there will be actual games on this platform to take advantage of it.

majiebeast4399d ago (Edited 4399d ago )

This time with games to talk about. Dont worry Pikmin 3 is only 3 months away, then you will have a game to talk about.

MikeMyers4399d ago (Edited 4399d ago )

@iGAM3R-VIII

I troll in every article? Show me. This sounds an awful lot like Miiverse because it will be moderated. Remember all the commotion about that?

@majiebeast

I don't even own a Wii U yet. My you guys sure are sensitive.

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Tapioca Cold4399d ago

What a bunch of spoiled brats use consoles.

Sad. Gimme gimme gimme.

Take what you get. Be grateful you can do tge things yoi do these days.

iGAM3R-VIII4399d ago (Edited 4399d ago )

Another person who trolls except this time either you are a PC fanboy or a Mobile Phone Gaming fanboy. That comment is just unessacary

SoapShoes4399d ago

What a mountain out of a mole hill. Not concerned at all, why should you be? The complaints here are all "what ifs".

MysticStrummer4399d ago

I just don't see the point of restricting the share button. People will post that same content anyway using other methods.

Lifebanisher4399d ago

even if they censor it people would just get a camera put it in front of the tv and keep recording that final boss, so what is the use if it's not gonna work? even if they put restrictions on scenes. imo, them announcing this and doing this will just fuel the spoiler community into doing the things developers wouldn't want.

in this generation you see people uploading the whole game on youtube or streaming it on twitchtv,nico nico and ustream already..

T24398d ago

Not sure how you got disagree there... Obviously every game is available to view on YouTube already

Anon19744399d ago

I say leave it up to the developers. If it were my game, and I was crafting some huge, cinematic experience, I don't think I would want just everyone sharing every last secret out on the net. It's probably going to happen anyway, but why make it easy for people to spoil plot points for your games?

It should be the developers choice. Some games it makes sense for, others I can see them not wanting to let everyone share everything.

DeadlyFire4398d ago

I think its mostly single player major story elements they are talking about blocking.

Multiplayer should be 100% shareable.

SegataSanshiro4398d ago

Holy Jesus, can someone explain to me what's happening in this article? There are youtube walkthroughs of every game in existence, full walkthroughs and how is this even an issue now? What's the difference? None! And I cant believe you Sony fangirls are actually defending the decision of censoring parts of the game! What's wrong with this website seriously! You people all live in a fairy tale!

T24398d ago

The only issue I have with your comment is how is it fanboys defending this ? I see two sides debating ... But you are right , everything is on YouTube , anyone disagree with that is naive

SegataSanshiro4395d ago

It's fanboyism because Sony Defense squad day that this is actually a good thing. Censoring is never a good thing no matter in what medium or at what time.

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Qrphe4399d ago

Nothing should be censored, if anything, there should be spoiler tags. Regardless, why take away features just because some aren't smart enough to not rush into every video/screenshot/comment they see?

Donnieboi4399d ago

Spoiler Tag--yeah, that sounds like a good work-around, if publishers try to use spoilers as an excuse. Good idea.

wishingW3L4398d ago

is not a good idea it's just... Common sense. lol

Conzul4399d ago (Edited 4399d ago )

Well said.

The only way I'll be able to stomach this kind of censorship is if it was time based. Like, if something epic or an awesome glitch happens near a spoiler/end and you happen to record it - I suppose I'd be ok with Sony locking the data from upload until a certain amount of time has passed since the game released. NOW THAT would be innovative, effective, and acceptable all at once.

In other words, it won't happen.

Edit: Oooh! They could remove or lessen this restriction for PS+ subscribers. Anything to make their paid service sweeter will help then next-gen.

Lifebanisher4399d ago

yeah why don't they just put an option where you can say it's a spoiler before uploading it on the share button..

yewles14399d ago

People don't realize the reason for this is because of copyright. Look at what's going on in YouTube as an example with people monetizing playthroughs and devs or pubs obstructing because of copyright infingement and such. Sony has to play it down the middle or else some pubs or devs won't put their games on the console. Whether we like it or not, the rights of developers and publishers come first.

Nate-Dog4399d ago

If that's the case then why is Yoshida saying that only some parts of a game may not be uploaded? If it was copyright reasons would that mean any footage of the game wouldn't be allowed? It won't look very well for Sony after marketing this ability for players to show off everything they've done if every developer can just click their fingers and say "nah don't want that".

yewles14399d ago

Not true, it could be a precious second or the whole shebang.

Whatever's blockable is entirely up to the creator's discretion. Whole vids of gameplay footage have taken down because of certain portions as opposed to the whole thing, afterwards it's then up to the uploader to negotiate what's allowable or not.

Muerte24944399d ago (Edited 4399d ago )

you can go to youtube right now and find full playthroughs of almost all new release from any publisher. I don't see why that would all of a sudden become a big deal now.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

On part of a full playthrough of Bioshock Infinite

part of full playthrough of Gears of War Judgement

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

God of war Ascension
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I named an exclusive from each system and a multiplatform title. All were uploaded some time ago and all of them still up. There goes your bogus claim of copyright infringement.

Qrphe4399d ago

I hadn't even thought of that but you're correct. But what if the shared content remained within the PS ecosystem? In other words, no YouTube/Facebook/Twitter sharing if the publisher decides against it.
The Let's Play community is huge and Sony should really capitalize on it. Limiting important aspects of it would be detrimental.

Conzul4399d ago

"Whether we like it or not, the rights of developers and publishers come first."

So you're saying devs and pubs are more equal than the rest of us. Niiiiiiiicccccceeee.

KwietStorm_BLM4399d ago

I'm subscribed to several people on YouTube who regularly have game content and walkthroughs, with ad placement. No problems there. This isn't YouTube anyway. Nobody is making money off their videos.

admiralvic4399d ago

While copyright is probably an element, I think it's simply there so no company can really complain about it. If you don't want someone to upload something, they can simply block it via this method. It won't stop people with HDPVR's, but that's still a smaller group than those who own said system.

joeorc4398d ago

"People don't realize the reason for this is because of copyright. Look at what's going on in YouTube as an example with people monetizing playthroughs and devs or pubs obstructing because of copyright infingement and such. Sony has to play it down the middle or else some pubs or devs won't put their games on the console. Whether we like it or not, the rights of developers and publishers come first."

100% agreement

Some one who freaking get's it!, Look while i do disagree with the basis of the censorship, there is limit's in everything of what you can do and say in a Public forum or in this case a public share video service Like Youtube. respecting the right's of the developer and publisher is just as important as it is for the consumer. I may not like some of those protections but i understand why they are there.

So its to be taken in stride, this is a freaking Hobby, you have to understand thing's may not always go your way, even if some of the reason's for doing such censorship is kinda pointless, but that's just the breaks.

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Arai4399d ago

I just read the article again (original interview with 4Gamer), the user has the option to show/not show a specific scene...e.g. last boss battle.

But developers can also choose to incorporate settings into their game so certain scenes can't be shared (think copyright issues with music for example).

Edge based their translation off 4Gamer interview and all other sites based their "articles" off Edge's translation.

Great journalism right there...it's half baked.
I guess them private Japanese lessons were good for something :P

GribbleGrunger4399d ago (Edited 4399d ago )

So we are basically complaining about a feature that wasn't there before because it doesn't live up to our expectations of it. Once you've run that through your heads a few times it's easy to see that this is just a manufactured complaint.

DragonKnight4399d ago

No. People are complaining about the implications of just what can be censored at the whim of the publisher. They are complaining about the idea that such censoring has the potential to make the Share feature pretty useless, and they are complaining about the fact that lame copyright B.S. could be a reason for censorship when all people want to do is what we all used to do as kids when we gamed, watch each game but on a larger scale.

GribbleGrunger4399d ago

If I have nothing and someone gave me something, I wouldn't then complain that the something wasn't what I wanted.

DragonKnight4399d ago

If you had nothing, and someone said you can have something, then later someone else said you can't use it completely as the way the first person told you it can be used, you would complain.

Utalkin2me4399d ago

But that someone hasn't even gave you something yet. He mentions what he is going to give you, and you automatically assume you have full use and can do as you please with it. The assuming is your fault, not anyone elses.

If someone gives you something and its not ideal of what you assumed it was going to be. Then you should be happy you just got something. Or you can not take it and go about your business.

DragonKnight4399d ago

Wow, I really can't believe there are people in here defending publisher censoring just because there wasn't previously a share option before. Apathy is what publishers love to see.

ZoyosJD4399d ago

The thing is that there always has been a share option and always will be. They're called game recorders.

Publishers have every right to request that youtube take every video of their games off youtube at any given time. Just look at any leaked footage that gets taken down in 2 min.

If you don't want to be restricted to this policy then you have every right give game makers the middle finger and not buy their games.

The truth is the only thing you have is a piece of plastic and the right to use it in a certain manner.

Don't believe me, the go read through that 50pg. agreement you skimmed over in 8 sec.

That's the problem here: people sign agreements (digitally or otherwise) left and right and try to act like they never had any implication, when these agreements are just as legally binding as the deed to your house.

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tubers4399d ago

And that's how you hamper industry growth.

raWfodog4398d ago

I agree. People just look for anything to complain about. How about waiting to see what ACTUALLY happens before getting upset over something which, at this point, is a non-issue.

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15 Last-Gen Games That Still Compete with Current-Gen Graphics

GB: "Say what you will about the state of the industry, but even as games evolve, their graphics remain a key aspect. Even some of the biggest flops this year sport some gorgeous visuals, as publishers and developers push the boundaries of what’s possible, pouring years of time and money into their work."

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darthv72203d ago

Quantum Break and Ryse are two that I was really surprised did not get an FPS boost option when played on the Series X|S. when i started playing both on the XBO, I thought they are both good, but after playing them also on my steam deck (in 60fps) I just cant go back and play the base games on XB. They really benefit from that faster frame rate.

Driveclub is another i wished had a HFR mode on PS5.

MatrixxGT203d ago

Most games this gen are the exact same except now we get faster loading through SSD and a res and fps bump. Graphically not much has improved, hell most last gen games are being relabeled and resold as “remastered” with the aforementioned updates.
I haven’t seen or played anything on either platform that couldn’t be run on last gen. Guess the law of diminishing returns is really showing itself these days.

127maXimus202d ago

Most games from 20 years ago are basically the same as today, with resolution and fps upgrades. The AI is still just as braindead as it always has been, worlds are full of static, boring characters that do the same thing over and over.

Demetrius202d ago

Smh another reason why graphics haven't improved that much is because most devs too caught up on cross gen. Ps4 was/still a dope console but time has moved on we're halfway close to a ps6 reveal and devs still will be making games on last gen in 2025. Then theres Microsoft purposely got the Xbox series s that causes more devs to try to pull strings as much as they can smh. It's a mixed bag of stuff, the only ones I see pushing hardware is sonys studios and even some indie games look better

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Why Guerrilla Games Shouldn't Abandon the Killzone Series

Hugely disappointingly, it seems that Guerrilla Games, developers of the Killzone and Horizon series, may be done with Killzone for good.

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IAMRealHooman210d ago

1 was fine, overhyped as a " halo" killer
2 was a graphical beast at the time, and felt heavy
3 was good a refinement of 2 but not much else. weird audio issues environment were to quiet
shadow fall was pretty but bland

OtterX210d ago (Edited 210d ago )

Shadowfall had great Multiplayer though. Too bad the campaign was meh at best. It did have the occasional great moment sprinkled in.

TheNamelessOne210d ago (Edited 210d ago )

I played through 2/3 multiple times. I played through the original once, but it felt pretty lukewarm for me. I couldn't be bothered to beat Shadow Fall. I got a couple hours in and just went "I'm done". Never touched it again. It was awesome on the tech side, being a launch title, but it didn't even match up to the first game when it came to actually having fun playing it.

Rude-ro210d ago

3 in 3d was an amazing experience to be had.
Although not many experienced it as intended for good reasons.

just_looken210d ago

You forgot the ai advancements on the playstation 2 killzone one you could have a full team of bots doing everything even playing the objective that was a big thing.

In killzone 2 they always flanked you and when available used the high ground.

Playing killzone 2 no hud 5.1 audio was/is awesome

MDTunkown210d ago

They should finish Horizon story first

darthv72210d ago

I dont mind if someone else takes up the mantle for the KZ franchise. We are several years removed from the first game. It certainly could use a remake to gauge interest in the rest of the series. I know it has its fans... Im thinking of how a proper reboot can rekindle that old dormant flame and bring in a new generation of fans in the process.

just_looken210d ago

You forgot killzone mercenaries on the ps vita but it was the worst selling sony game for awhile there.

Yui_Suzumiya209d ago

Yeah, a remake would be pretty awesome

anast210d ago

They should let it go or sell it. No use spending millions on this project.

LucasRuinedChildhood210d ago

Would like a new IP before Horizon 3. Just because games take so long to make these days.

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Killzone After a Decade in Hibernation

It's been 10 years since Killzone: Shadow Fall arrived for PlayStation 4 early adopters, and there's no sign of another sequel.

Obscure_Observer553d ago

Sadly it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer.

Vengeance1138553d ago

lmao sadly? Are you pretending to have actually played the series lol Sorry bud, no Killzone on Xbox.

Cacabunga552d ago

With the downfall of COD and BF, Killzone def. has a chance to make a groundbreaking comeback

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Notellin552d ago (Edited 552d ago )

What a low-functioning reply here typical of the fanboy N4G community.

Rimeskeem553d ago

“Dumped”

I think it’s called moving on.

Barlos552d ago (Edited 552d ago )

They brought out 4 main games and 2 spin offs: one on PSP and one on Vita. That's a decent run for any series. I also understand that Shadow Fall wasn't a success commercially despite it coming out at PS4 launch, and as a big Killzone fan even I couldn't get into it, so I think Sony/Guerrilla could see it was time to move on.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love another Killzone game in the vein of KZ2 but it's just not happening. Hell, I'd even take a remake or remaster of the first 3 games.

I'd hardly say it was "dumped" though, it spanned 3 console generations and 2 handheld generations.

1Victor552d ago

@obscured:”Sadly it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer”

Happily it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer( edited to reflect the writer true feelings and allegiance)
Kill zone was a FPS far ahead of its glitched competitors with nauseating bad camera angles, 10 years old screaming curses like a drunk sailor and bot aiming assist.

ChasterMies552d ago

“Sadly”?

The Horizon games were among the best games of all time. Killzone Shadowfail wasn’t.

Shane Kim552d ago

True, but damn the memories of KZ2 multiplayer. Still no MP as fun as that to this date.

Mr_cheese552d ago

Dumped and shelved are two different things

Tacoboto552d ago

And Sony as a whole dumped the FPS genre so they wouldn't have products competing with COD and (until purchase) Destiny.

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GoodGuy09553d ago

I loved the KZ2+3 campaigns and MP in 2. There could be so much more done with the franchise. Horizon although good, I wish they'd go back to this wonderful IP. Take a break from Horizon please.

Flawlessmic552d ago

Agreed dude, I would absolutely love a reboot of the series, one can only hope that either resistance or killzone makes a return.

Have nothing but great memories, especially of the first 3 games, but all 4 were show stoppers graphically.

blackbeld552d ago

To making it a successful reboot they have to change that buttons layout! Make it playable like the cod button layout. Otherwise I’ll skipping it again.

Rynxie552d ago

And that's the reason why many fps games failed. Instead of being original and catering to it's fans, they tried to make it like cod. No, kz doesn't need cod button layout. It needs to be like it was on kz2 or balanced liked kz3.

Lightning77553d ago

I think Kill Zone would do great in Sony's LS push. As well as MAG reboot and bring back Resistance into LS.

Sharky231551d ago

@Lightning77

I think WarHawk would have been a great Live service game.

thorstein552d ago

Killzone games were so polished. The gameplay was just simple joy. MP was one of the best experiences.

I remember KZ3, just staring at how awesome they animated the water and then getting wasted because of it.

P_Bomb552d ago

It’s been a decade? Now I’m sad.

LiViNgLeGaCY551d ago

I hear ya bud. We're due for a revival.

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